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  • HPH144 : What do you do when you can’t find land?

    HPH144 : What do you do when you can’t find land?

    Three self-builders explain their next steps after struggling to find land upon which to build their new homes.

    Interview with Corrine Mitchell

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    Corrine and her husband first entertained the idea of a self build back in 2005, but put their first offer in on a plot in 2008. The site proved to be problematic with electricity cables running overhead, and they eventually pulled out. It wasn’t until 2013, when they became aware of Graven Hill, that they had finances in place and thought there was a real opportunity. The intention was to use finances in the bank to pay for the land and sell their existing property to cover the costs of the build. They eventually decided that the Graven Hill development wouldn’t be right for them; they wanted to get away from living on an estate, particularly one that could be a building site for the next decade, and it didn’t seem easily suited to building to Passivhaus standard.

    The biggest challenges to finding land in their area have been the high cost and sites ideal for a small house with a garden, garage and workshop, being bought by developers to put two dwellings on. Corrine has also found that local land tends to be sold by sealed bids, a system which she feels disadvantaged and frustrated by.

    Corrine has learned many lessons from her experience of looking for land. The main one has been how to appraise a site: looking for additional factors that might affect the cost and be problematic, and in future if she found a site without planning permission, she would probably hire a planning consultant. She sees her chances of finding land in the future as relying on word of mouth, getting in before anyone else hears about a plot. Eventually Corrine expects that they might move away from the area to where land is at a price that they are happier to pay, but for the time being she wants to remain local to where their friends and lives currently are.

    Corrine’s advice to anyone else looking for land is to be prepared for it to be a time intensive task. You really need to put the work in, registering with estate agents and ringing them all every two or three weeks to see if there’s anything new available.

    “Google Earth does come in very handy. You can walk down roads, have a look around, look at what’s nearby. But when you get there often it’s a bit different to what you expect so you’ve got to go and do the research and you’ve got to go and have a good look. Especially for the issues that might cost you money when you come to build.”

    Land searches for Corrine and her husband are currently on hold while they take on a renovation project instead. They have bought a small terraced house and are taking their time to do it up, using it as a chance to gain valuable experience that they can eventually put into a self build.

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    Despite the renovation project, Corrine is still keeping one eye open for land opportunities and says that hopefully next year they will have finished the works, can sell up and start looking for land seriously once again.

    Interview with Nigel Banks

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    Nigel Banks lives in Leeds with his wife and two children and has had challenges finding a suitable plot within an existing established urban area. Initially he was looking for self build plots in a fairly wide area, but eventually decided to narrow it down to within two miles of their eldest son’s primary school.

    Largely using Google Maps, cycling and walking the streets, they found two or three potentially viable plots. They approached the Diocese of Leeds, who they discovered were the owners of one plot, only to be told they already had plans for it. These plans, Nigel later discovered, involved an application for 14 houses! Another plot they were interested in ultimately had plans for six flats, offices and basement parking, whereas Nigel had just intended to put on a single house with a small garden.

    After two years of searching, Nigel decided to instead build a Passivhaus office in his back garden. Shortly after he started digging the foundations his wife came across a Victorian house, around half a mile away, in need of major renovation. They realised they could refurbish it to near Passivhaus standard and moved in a year ago.

    Had they not gone down the refurbishment route, Nigel thinks one option he might have pursued would have been trying to find other like-minded people locally to set up a cohousing project.

    Having invested a huge amount of time and energy into their new project, and being fairly happy and settled where they now are, Nigel has shelved plans to try and self build. He emphasises however that the dream to build his own home is still there, though it may be another 15 or 20 years before that can become a reality.

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    Interview with Rob Rickey

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    After taking a course in Environmental Design at Cardiff University and later the Passivhaus Designer course, Rob was keen to live in a low energy home.

    They wanted to stay close to their existing community where all their friends lived. This limited the search area and meant that they really only saw a handful of opportunities. One was a barn conversion with planning permission, but this was reflected in the price! They also considered developing another site that had planning permission for four dwellings. By selling or renting three they could fund their own build. However, the location wouldn’t have been that quiet as it backed onto a school.

    Ultimately they decided they couldn’t afford it and so they looked for a property to retrofit. This was much easier as dozens of opportunities came onto the market each week.

    Rob says he’s quite happy in his retrofitted home – where he’s reduced his gas usage by 75% – and has no desire to self build! He can get his fix from his work, designing houses for other people.

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  • HPH122 : Can local knowledge help you uncover a plot of land? – with Ben Adam-Smith

    HPH122 : Can local knowledge help you uncover a plot of land? – with Ben Adam-Smith

    Ben Adam-Smith spends a full day trying to use local knowledge to progress his search for a building plot.

     

    The challenge

    Listeners of the podcast will know the challenges that Ben has been having with finding a plot of land to get his self build underway.

    While lots of new houses are being built in Ben’s town of Hertford, they all seem to be going to developers and not available to people who want to self build high quality homes.

    In this episode we hear how Ben got proactive, dedicating a full day trying to tap in to local knowledge about possible opportunities, to decide whether it’s worth investing the effort in this approach.

     

    Step 1: Calling local architects and builders

    After spending 45 minutes calling around local architects and builders, there was no insider information gleaned from any about potential plots!

     

    Step 2: On foot – shop owners, pub landlords, and people that might be well connected

    Ben’s tip for if you’re planning on this approach – make sure it’s at a time of day and week when everything’s open!

    One interviewee that had lived in the town all her life was only aware of people in the town self building if they were doing it in the back garden of the house of their parents in some of the larger properties. Her suggestion was to approach the local churches, where they attract an elderly congregation in an area of the town which has some of the larger properties.

    Useful information was provided by Peter Ruffles, a local County Councillor. His first suggestion was to speak to the developer of a local project where planning permission for eco-homes was granted some time ago but has been slow in getting started, to see whether there might be any opportunities there.

    Peter recommended speaking to an individual who has had plans for some years to build his own eco-home, with planning permission, but which hasn’t materialised so could be worth investigating further.

    Another suggestion from Peter was to look at previously refused planning applications to see whether there might be any opportunities to work with the land owners on an eco-build, where building within towns might now be easier than it once was, and where a planning permission may eventually be inevitable.

    Peter also recommended that Ben approach senior planning officers, who are likely to be sympathetic towards building sustainably.

    Peter Ruffles, by nature of his work as a County Councillor, is very well connected in the area, and speaking to him reminded Ben of Malcolm Gladwell’s book ‘Tipping Point‘. The book talks about people who are ‘connectors’. These are particularly useful people to know as they are the kind of people who know everyone.

    Lisa, at Ben’s local hairdressing salon, recommended talking to everyone and spreading the word as much as possible that you are looking for land, which is actually how her partner found a plot. Another suggestion from her was to put respectful letters through doors seeing whether they would be interested in selling land.

     

    Step 3: By car – following up on leads

    Ben spoke with Ian who has done a self build project in Hertford. He was lucky enough to find his plot in 2008 being advertised in the local newspaper. He credits having the money available and ready to go as being the reason that his bid was successful against one other interested party.

    One thing Ben was told a number of times off microphone, was about estate agents favouring certain clients and doing deals before the land even makes it on the market.

     

    Conclusions

    Can local knowledge help you find a plot? Well, it hasn’t really helped Ben so far, but then it hasn’t done any harm either. And if anything else, he met some interesting people! Other approaches he suggests might even be just chatting when ordering a coffee in a cafe, or when having a haircut, in a more casual way than he himself went about it.

     

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    Has local knowledge worked for you? Or do you know someone that it has worked for?

    And what do you think of this style of episode and seeing Ben as the human guinea pig?

    We’d love to hear from you.

     

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  • HPH117 : What to look for in a plot of land – with David Snell, author of Building Your Own Home

    HPH117 : What to look for in a plot of land – with David Snell, author of Building Your Own Home

    Serial self-builder and author David Snell advises how to appraise a potential plot of land.

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    Interview with David Snell

    We spoke with David back in Episode 50 in a fascinating discussion about hiring contractors and sub-contractors, which was packed with invaluable information gleaned from years of experience. That was at a time when he was undertaking his 14th and ‘final’ self build. After deciding to move back to Gloucestershire to be closer to his grandchildren, he’s now working on his 15th! This time he joins us to advise what you should be looking out for in a plot of land, and how to know if it’s the right one for you.

     

    Use ‘fisherman’ tactics to find a plot!

    David uses the analogy of a fisherman who puts a handful of bait into the water to attract the fish to where he’s going to be fishing, before throwing in his hook and line. And in a sense that’s what David does when he’s looking for a plot. He puts the bait out by speaking to as many people as he can: architects, estate agents, solicitors, developers, etc. He’ll also mention that he’s going to be searching earnestly in a few weeks’ time and hoping they will have something for him at that point.

     

    Double plots are ideal for self-builders

    David’s reason for this is that most self-builders know someone else wanting to build too. His current plot is exactly that – a double plot that was bigger than he needed. He had approached a local builder that he knew to come and take a look for a rough idea on cost estimates to build on it. The builder himself decided that he would like the remainder of the plot so David immediately sold it on for a £10,000-£15,000 profit.

     

    Consider the neighbourhood if you’re planning a replacement dwelling

    Unlike a greenfield site, with a replacement dwelling your environment is already fixed. You’re effectively relying on your neighbours to share the same values; that of preserving the kerb appeal of the area so as not to devalue the properties. This is why it is important to look rigorously at its immediate surroundings and approach.

    “It could be lovely when you get to the plot, but if you’ve got to drive through somewhere horrid to get to it, people’s spirits have sunk by the time they get there, and so has the value of your home!”

    By choosing where you’re going to live you’re choosing your neighbours, and in a way they’re choosing you because they will freeze you out and make you not want to live there if tensions are high! David says that he has never not had animosity from neighbours when he has self built, because by building nearby he is upsetting the status quo. Within a few years however the house will be built and then by being part of the new status quo he expects to eventually win them over!

     

    Choose a plot that “sings to you”

    With so many different types of plots available, and different things being of importance to different people, it’s wise to choose a plot that calls out to you and says “I’m for you”. If it’s the right plot you’ll move heaven and earth to get it and be more likely to take on and overcome any challenges along the way.

     

    Don’t consider land unless it has some form of planning permission

    David doesn’t recommend a first time self-builder to even consider buying land if it doesn’t already have either outline or full planning permission.

    Even if the plot has planning permission on it the chances are that you will be able to change the permissions – within reason and subject to local planning approval – to a different design more suited to you. If you’re wanting to scale down the plans then it’s unlikely you’ll have any argument about it. If you want to increase the size however then either it might not be the plot for you or you might have to do it incrementally, i.e. build to the plans and then later on submit plans to extend it or use permitted development rights.

     

    All planning permissions have conditions

    In most circumstances planning permission is only granted with conditions attached. So when buying a piece of land, pay attention to when planning permission expires because you need to have enough time to discharge all of them.

    Some of the conditions are discharged in the normal course of events, such as getting building regs etc, but others may need to be discharged before works can commence.

    There is now a time limit of 8 weeks in which planning officers need to make a decision on discharging conditions. If after the 8 weeks they have not given you a decision, then the condition is deemed to be satisfied.

    It is important to add that while planning permission states that you ‘may’ build something, it doesn’t mean that you ‘can’. If there isn’t a legal right to build, i.e. somebody else owns the land you want to build on, then even if you have planning permission you will not be entitled to act upon it.

     

    Ensure the plot has suitable access

    Without access, it just isn’t a plot. And that applies both to vehicular access and access for construction. Land that can’t demonstrate suitable access is unlikely to get planning permission anyway.

     

    Trees on a plot can give you an understanding of the land

    The types of trees on a plot can give you an indication of the sub-soil you’re likely to come across. Beech trees might indicate chalk, oak trees can indicate clay. Alder trees can indicate that the land is heavily waterlogged, and the roots of willows and poplars can be incredibly damaging to property. If you have clay, the removal of trees can lead to soil becoming waterlogged and creating heave, which can be disastrous to a building.

    The presence of trees and understanding the ground conditions better can help you budget more wisely, knowing that you may need to factor in extra for the foundations.

    Tree Preservation Orders can also be challenging, though not necessarily impossible to overcome. David highlights the importance of negotiating about them, and not cutting the trees down without approval!

     

    A covenant gives somebody else rights over your piece of land

    While covenants are not necessarily going to put you off buying a plot, they are certainly something to take into consideration. Some covenants may expire over time because the property or people to which they relate are no longer there. David suggests a restricted covenant indemnity policy to cover such a situation.

    In many cases covenants that self-builders will come across have been put in place by the owners of the property that have sold part of their garden off as the plot. These tend to be extremely difficult to remove and might cover things like not having any windows overlooking their property, etc.

    In other cases there may be a ransom covenant, whereby someone has sold off their land as a paddock, but uses the covenant to clawback any uplift in value if that purchaser later gets planning permission.

     

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    David Snell talks about how to find a plot of land, in this video for Potton Homes

     

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    The Hub update

    Tying in to the theme of today’s podcast, we’d like to remind you about our course on Finding Land, which is available in The Hub. It is free to access and draws information from all the sources and chats we’ve had so far, and puts it in a logical sequence without being overwhelming.

     

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  • HPH104 : How I Found My Plot of Land – Four Case Studies

    HPH104 : How I Found My Plot of Land – Four Case Studies

    In this podcast we’re speaking to four self-builders from Ireland, England and Australia to see how they managed to find their plots of land.

    Interview with Donal O’Leary – Ireland

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    Originally Donal had been looking to buy a house rather than a plot. When the sale of a derelict house on a half acre plot came up they realised that if successful with their bid they would probably need to rebuild rather than renovate.

    A process of phone bids via the estate agent ultimately led to them missing out.

     

    ‘If You Don’t Ask, You Don’t Get’

    While Donal continued in his search he made inquiries locally to see if any other sites might be available, and in doing so came in contact with the man who had been successful in the purchase of the derelict house. After a few discussions he agreed to sell Donal part of the site.

    An agreement was reached on price based predominantly on the share of the land, and a joint planning application was submitted. They’re hoping for the planning process to be finalised within the next couple of weeks.

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    Tips for Finding a Plot

    Have perseverance, patience, be prepared for the long haul, walk the streets talking to people and be open to considering an overgrown field as a potential site.

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    Interview with Nicki Poggi – Australia

    Having lived overseas, Nicki and her family were keen to return to Sydney. After missing out on a few properties at auctions she discovered a house whilst driving. The location was ideal in terms of proximity to the beach and ferry into Sydney, and on speaking to the estate agent they made an offer, being aware that it had previously failed to sell at auction.

    Nicki would suggest that normally you familiarise yourself with an area and investigate what you’re able to do with the property. In her case, they were fortunate in being permitted to knock it down and rebuild, which wasn’t something they initially thought they would be allowed to do.

     

    Interview with Arun Alex – England

    For quite some time it has been important to Arun to build an energy efficient home. He has spent the last 4 or 5 years trawling websites to find a suitable plot. One suggestion he was given was to look at the local council website to see where planning permissions have been granted and to try and make contact with the owners.

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    Outline or No Planning Permission with the Plot Enabled Arun to Design a House to Suit His Requirements

    While being able to pick up a plot of land more cheaply, buying a plot either with no planning permission or outline planning permission also meant that Arun had the flexibility to create a design for his house that would suit his family and their requirements.

    After missing out on a couple of plots that had outline planning permission, Arun successfully bought a plot at auction that didn’t have any planning permission attached. While a risky strategy, Arun had a preliminary chat with a planning consultant who thought that if the design and scale were right there was a chance that approval might be given. After researching how to come up with a figure for what the house would be valued at, the offer that Arun submitted was calculated based on rough ideas of the cost of the plot, the cost of the build, the type of construction likely to be used and adding a 20-30% uplift.

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    Since recording this interview with Arun he has had his planning application refused. He has since purchased another plot in Glastonbury and is currently awaiting full planning approval.

     

    Interview with Glenn Graney – England

    During the economic downturn, Glenn purchased a commercial rental property with a flat upstairs and several garages, with the hope of being able to build a house behind the commercial unit. The advice from a retired chief planning officer was that there was a 50/50 chance of obtaining planning permission. As it happened the council gave planning permission without any problems and Glenn and his girlfriend were able to live in the flat above the commercial unit while the build progressed.

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    An opportunity arose following the death of a neighbour to purchase an additional piece of land which made a considerable difference to the size of their garden.

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    Glenn’s advice for plot seekers is to look for houses in poorer areas that have large gardens with the potential to be knocked down and the site divided into two, as buying land is at such a premium.

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